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Okay so I am going to pick up two male rescues tomorrow. They have been in seperate cages (though the cages have been right next to each other) for their entire lifes (under a year) How would I slowly and safely go about introducing them in hopes of having them be in the same cages together?

Thank you in advance!
Cassie
 
I start off by setting the cages close together. Seeing as that is already done, my next step would be playtime in a neutral area. I set a dust bath out and let them run around with VERY close supervision. I do this for a week or two then slowly introduce them in the cages. I wouldn't recommend putting either chinchilla in the other ones cage because they may feel the need to protect their territory. I would set a up a new, larger cage that is also neutral territory & when and IF they are ready, you can put them in that cage with supervision.

Know though that not all chinchillas will love each other right away or ever at all. Also know that chinchillas who have been together for a long time can still turn on each other and even kill each other.
 
Alexis is right on with her advise - you can never tell!
I had 4 boys together from weaning age - 22 months later, one went beserk and beat-up the other 3! Stuff happens!!
 
thats what I am worried about....

They have always been right next to each other (or atleast thats what the owner says). Im limited on room right now but do not want them to go to a shelter. So i am taking both. I will not force them together or put them in danger....but it would make life alot easier (especially in the summer) if I could introduce them and them get along. I guess like you all said I will slowly introduce and take it from there!
 
I have 2 chins now and I'm going to try to introduce a third ( I know.. could be impossible! ). They have their big cage and a smaller cage that I sometimes put then in while cleaning. The smaller cage is going to be the new guys cage. Should I completely clean out the smaller cage for the new guy? Or should I not clean it so he smells the other two?

( it is clean, it just hasn't been completely scrubbed down to get rid of their smell )
 
Cassie, you can always get stackable cages to save on space if they do not get along, and they may never get along. My best advice is to have patience, it may take awhile.

Ben, I have tried to introduce trios myself but have never had success. I have heard that trying to introduce a third to an already established pair can cause some tension between the pair. You can keep the smell in the smaller cage though.

I would do side-by-side cages. Then I would switch cages, or share dust baths (so they can get used to each others smells). Then move on to playtimes in a neutral area (meanig that the area has been cleared of all other chin smells). And take it from there. Also some suggestions I have heard are to trimming their whiskers (all the chins) to about 1-2inches long (which I have done), or dabbing a very small amount of vanilla on top of their nose/on their butts.

Good luck to the both of you.
 
For my intros I put the chins into a small box which I move around (gently shake) for maybe 5 minutes and then put them into a new cage. I'm too impatient for slow introductions. Bonding through stress and a new environment has worked for me every time.
 
Hi Cassie - we've chatted previously via email. I'm glad you were able to keep the boys from ending up at the shelter :)

For most of my intros, I set up a "new to them" cage with no other chin smells in it, and new (or newly washed) toys, fleece, hides. Then I take them for a 30 minute (or longer) car ride in seperate carriers, place them into a carrier together, then drive another 30 (or more) minutes before taking them home. Then I put them into the new cage together and keep a close eye on them for the next few hours.

So far this works for most of my chins. I'm located about 15-20 minutes from you. If you and your husband ever want to try that method, you're welcome to drive the chins up here (plus around town a bit to make the trip last 30 minutes or so), try putting them into a carrier together, and driving back home. That way its done in a strange environment so neither of them can feel they 'own' the space. And since I've done quite a few intros, I could offer my opinion on how they react to one another while they're here.

(I hope that made sense)
~Barb~
 
For my intros I put the chins into a small box which I move around (gently shake) for maybe 5 minutes and then put them into a new cage. I'm too impatient for slow introductions. Bonding through stress and a new environment has worked for me every time.

So because you are impatient, you cause your chins fear and anxiety? I have done a buttload of introductions, and I mean a ton of them, anywhere from pairs to large colonies, and I would never consider treating an animal this way for my convenience. If you can't take the time to do it properly and with respect for the animal - why bother to have them at all?
 
For my intros I put the chins into a small box which I move around (gently shake) for maybe 5 minutes and then put them into a new cage. I'm too impatient for slow introductions. Bonding through stress and a new environment has worked for me every time.

I can't see putting chins through a frightening experience, simply because of being too impatient to do it properly. Those poor chins. The stress of that can bring on a whole host of other problems, also.

The way we treat our chins should never be based on what we feel like doing or not doing, it should be based on what is best for the chin. Not something done out of impatience.
 
I debated even posting in this thread, being as my intro is more the rarity than it is the commonality, but I'll post anyway. It IS possible to get chinnies that are docile enough to take to being paired with one another much more easily than others and in my case, I got 6! All 6 of my girls are in the same cage and have been since the day they came to me. Each of them had been paired before with at least one other chinnie (one of the ones that is in the cage now). I simply drove them home (7+ hours drive) and upon arriving home, put them all in their new cage - all at the same time. I have heard not one peep out of any one of them since. They cuddle together and share - I think I've been blessed.

They do each have a place to go to get away from the rest and I have noticed that each has their place that they call "home" or their favorite place to be in the cage. There are PLENTY of ledges, hammocks, tubes, houses, and a wheel in their cage to keep them busy too. I think this helps.

Good luck!
 
So because you are impatient, you cause your chins fear and anxiety? I have done a buttload of introductions, and I mean a ton of them, anywhere from pairs to large colonies, and I would never consider treating an animal this way for my convenience. If you can't take the time to do it properly and with respect for the animal - why bother to have them at all?

I can't see putting chins through a frightening experience, simply because of being too impatient to do it properly. Those poor chins. The stress of that can bring on a whole host of other problems, also.

The way we treat our chins should never be based on what we feel like doing or not doing, it should be based on what is best for the chin. Not something done out of impatience.

What is wrong with putting chinchillas in a box for 5 minutes? Why didn't the people who put them in the car for 30 minutes or 7 hours get chided? Is shipping a chinchilla on a plane disrespectful?

Does prolonging an introduction make it "proper?"
 
I think there's a little difference between sticking chins in a dark box over putting them in carriers that they can see out of. I also don't think that people in cars shake them around, deliberately causing them anxiety because they don't want to take the time to do a better introduction.

I don't know about others, but my chins don't seem to express much anxiety when they go on a car ride. Mine sleep. I'll agree with change of scenery maybe, but I try and make introductions with as little anxiety as possible. I don't try and create it for my convenience.
 
I think there's a little difference between sticking chins in a dark box over putting them in carriers that they can see out of. I also don't think that people in cars shake them around, deliberately causing them anxiety because they don't want to take the time to do a better introduction.

I don't know about others, but my chins don't seem to express much anxiety when they go on a car ride. Mine sleep. I'll agree with change of scenery maybe, but I try and make introductions with as little anxiety as possible. I don't try and create it for my convenience.

Personally I feel that putting a nocturnal animal in the dark is not horrible thing. I don't know the roads where you live but I know that there are dips, stop signs and such on the road that cause car rides to not always be smooth sailing. I'm pretty sure that chinchillas that have been driven across 3 states to a show or put into a cage with a someone they fight with are much more stressed than a chin that's been in a box for 5 mintues.

It's simply a box that moves. A modified version of the smoosh and car ride techniques.
 
We'll have to agree to disagree. I can just picture a new person coming on here, seeing your post and thinking - cool idea! Slapping two chins in a box half the size of a shoe box then shaking vigorously so they can create "stress and a new environment" because someone said it's easier and for the more impatient people.

Like I said, I've done a ton of introductions, anywhere from pairs to colonies, and I do it without stressing the animals.
 
I had a 4 month old kit whose mother got out of the cage while the dog was in and met with obviously tragic conclusions. Thankfully the kit was weaned by that time, yet she had still been quite attached to mom and I was very worried about keeping her alone. I had rescued an older female kit during this time and decided to put them together and it worked out famously. They became the best of friends. Has anyone noticed for a fact that it is easier to put a younger kit in with an older chin?
 
Has anyone noticed for a fact that it is easier to put a younger kit in with an older chin?

Yup, that's pretty much common knowledge. I rarely even bother with intros when I do it that way, they usually just jump in together and do fine.
 
I read this and wasnt going to post until I seen "alpaytons". I did something very similar, and to me someone called it "fear bonding". When I read about "shaking them up a little" or whatever, I had no idea THAT is what they meant. I took two males who had been in a run setting, one was over 4 the other about 2, and I rode them, along with three very docile females I rescued, in a chin transport cage, the type people bring to shows, but the holes were big enough I put the ones I wanted to bond to in the holes. I put sticks, and other stuff that would interest them together.

I rode out to Ohio with them when I picked up my new Boxer. Had water of course. I have a big cage I put them in when I got home- it was previously occupied but I had cleaned it out and set it up new for the two boys, definetly a house and places for each to be on his own, and they have been great buddies cuddling and sleeping in the same hanging fleece bed for over two and a half years since that ride, and like alpayton, not a peep either.

I think dark, whatever, is fine. I think most or anyone might disagree when they handle these animals a lot and encounter an idea to bond them that involves shaking them up and making them shocked into holding onto each other. I had two females on the other hand, not biological sisters, but a week apart.

I bought them, they were fine and when the first one went into heat, she decided she hated females. Neither had ever physically been exposed to a male. They are all in their own room, but she never had one in her cage either did her cagemate obviously.

I went out to George Webb's for breakfast, and upon getting back, the one, she is a standard, had scalped and cannaballized the other, her cagemate, who one parent was ebony, the other white and grey mosaic, she showed all three colors, I guess you call that ebony mosaic? She was beautiful, anyways, her "sister" ate her, and scalped her litteraly to her skull in one area. It took months of feeding her Critical care, and I had her in a quarintene cage in my room, and ten days of injectable baytril, to save her. She had no hair or skin from the whole top of her head to around the bases of her ears, and her ears had lots of holes in them. She had also been bitten on her "cone" and right above it, because the only thing she knew to do to fight back was try and spray her when her "sister" attacked, so she got ripped there too.

Right now, she is healed, her hair is back. The other day, just when the last of the head wound closed up and the skull got covered up, I was massaging her new hair, she likes it probably because it itches her, I noticed a HUGE bump, like a gigantic pimple on someone. It was completely see through, full of puss, just like a pimple, near where her head had been punctured to the skull. Her attacker had actually chipped her teeth biting into her.

I opened the top, with a sterile needle, and drained the "pimple". it was pure white and almost waxy. It didnt come back and is now healing AGAIN a second time to cover up. ALL her hair has grown back. her ears, both, are totally mutilated, but that is only cosmetic and I think she is blessed for that. She LOVES people but is nervous around ANY chinchilla, male or female. She was attacked before a year old, so I attribute her ability to bounce back to her age a lot. I know someone that something similar happened, their chin was older and she had brain damage, had a stroke after.


The point of this was not a graphic story, just my experience, and that is bonding introductions work best, a place where it is benefical for the animals in their own minds to bond to another one. A car ride is a perfect thing.

And sometimes, they can be bonded forever. I had one die of being heartsick when his mate died that they had had a lot of litters together. Some kill each other or **** near try. You can't guarentee anything I guess. I would say violence or physical fear or focrce is bad for this particular animal though!
 
That sounds so sad! But I'm confused. You sad that the mate ate her but that she survived?
 
For my intros I put the chins into a small box which I move around (gently shake) for maybe 5 minutes and then put them into a new cage. I'm too impatient for slow introductions. Bonding through stress and a new environment has worked for me every time.
This is quite possibly the worst thing I've ever heard of...I wouldn't do this to any animal...ever. In fact, if someone were to tell me that they put two dogs into a crate and shook it to get them to know each other I would tell them that was abusive...

I debated even posting in this thread, being as my intro is more the rarity than it is the commonality, but I'll post anyway. It IS possible to get chinnies that are docile enough to take to being paired with one another much more easily than others and in my case, I got 6! All 6 of my girls are in the same cage and have been since the day they came to me. Each of them had been paired before with at least one other chinnie (one of the ones that is in the cage now). I simply drove them home (7+ hours drive) and upon arriving home, put them all in their new cage - all at the same time. I have heard not one peep out of any one of them since. They cuddle together and share - I think I've been blessed.
They do each have a place to go to get away from the rest and I have noticed that each has their place that they call "home" or their favorite place to be in the cage. There are PLENTY of ledges, hammocks, tubes, houses, and a wheel in their cage to keep them busy too. I think this helps.

Before I had ever even heard of Chins'n'Quills I introduced all of my chins like you have. I simply put them in the others cage and that's that. I've never had an issue. I know there are people on here that wouldn't dream of doing that, but I always have. When I had Penny, it was just her and a week later I got Peekers...put them in the cage and they were fine. Then I got Pheebe, put Pheebe in the cage with both of them and they were fine. When I got Boo I put Boo in a cage with Peekers and they were fine...separated Boo from Peekers after the kits were born and then put Finn in with Boo at 8 weeks, no trouble there either. The only time I've ever had trouble is when Peekers was pregnant, she quickly started to hate the female chins and wouldn't share playtime with them. After Preema died (her daughter) I had to slowly introduce Peekers back to Pheebe and Penny...this took a week of playtime every single day...unfortunately I didn't get to see the three of them become a family...the night she went in for her first sleepover she died (not by the hands of my chins, but for other circumstances...which I've talked about in other threads). I do believe it would have worked out just fine though.
I plan on getting new toys and huts and putting them in there when I put my new guy in with Boo...I think this helps when there are neutral objects in the cage as well.

What is wrong with putting chinchillas in a box for 5 minutes? Why didn't the people who put them in the car for 30 minutes or 7 hours get chided? Is shipping a chinchilla on a plane disrespectful? Does prolonging an introduction make it "proper?"
The problem is not that you have put Chins in the same box for 5 minutes and let them sit there...its that you SHOOK them...I don't care if you just gently shook them, you still frightened them into needing one another and that is wrong...as someone who studies animal behavior and is on my way to becoming a dog trainer and behavior specialist, I can't agree with this at all.

We'll have to agree to disagree. I can just picture a new person coming on here, seeing your post and thinking - cool idea! Slapping two chins in a box half the size of a shoe box then shaking vigorously so they can create "stress and a new environment" because someone said it's easier and for the more impatient people.
Like I said, I've done a ton of introductions, anywhere from pairs to colonies, and I do it without stressing the animals.
This is exactly the problem...any newcomer that comes on here and is looking for ways to introduce chins could see this and think "Yeah, ok, I'll put them in a box and shake them up...wa-la!"...no...this is wrong, wrong, wrong.

Yup, that's pretty much common knowledge. I rarely even bother with intros when I do it that way, they usually just jump in together and do fine.
This quote was pertaining to age...the new guy I'm getting is 3 and Boo is just about 7. Now, are we talking about it being easy to introduce a KIT to an ADULT? Or do you mean that any chinchilla that is younger than the resident chinchilla is usually easier to introduce??
 
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