Baytril 'chaser' ??

[Mt. Zion Chins]

I know some of you have mentioned using a 'chaser' when giving Baytril by mouth. Please list some of the 'chaser' used. I have a chin that was prescribed Baytril (not compounded) and need to know this to help it more palatable

 

[AZChins]

Any treat your chin enjoys would work. I have used shredded wheat or a few oat flakes. In the past I have heard of people giving a dried raisin, a papaya piece or maybe even a dried blueberry. Use something that the chin can't resist.

 

[addictedtochins]

I used simethacone, it is sweet and they liked it

 

[Essentia]

I also use simethacone.

 

[tunes]

Simethicon, shredded wheat, oats, Essentials for Life.

 

[ticklechin]

I would never give a chin something sweet like a raisin or papaya especially when using a antibiotic, simethicone is a good choice for a chaser.

 

[AZChins]

Sometimes you use what you have to use.

 

[ticklechin]

I would not use it, enough trouble is caused by sugar on a well chin yet alone one on antibiotics.

 

[lilchinchilla]

What problems would sugar cause with a tiny piece of a sweet treat?
Isn't the baytril already killing off the bacteria, and therefore there would be no fueling of additional bacterial growth?

 

[ticklechin]

You people do what ever you want to do to your chins, give them raisins and papaya all you want when they are sick, it won't change my mind nor would I give this advice, period. I error on the side of caution rather than not, and sick chins have enough issues, they don't need gut issues, even from a itsy bitsy piece that frankly won't do squat to get rid of baytrils nasty taste.

 

[lilchinchilla]

Thanks for your opinion, Dawn! :thumbsup: It is much appreciated. Maybe someone else can explain why exactly a small amount of sugar would be harmful to them? What makes the simethicone sweet, and makes it safer to use?

 

[Mt. Zion Chins]

Another question I have is someone mentioned using Essentials for Life. I believe that has probiotics in it. Can one feed that and the antibiotic and the same time??

 

[ticklechin]

Thanks for your opinion, Dawn! :thumbsup: It is much appreciated. Maybe someone else can explain why exactly a small amount of sugar would be harmful to them? What makes the simethicone sweet, and makes it safer to use?

Baby gas drops and orasweet which is used to compound baytril to make it sweet use artifical sweeteners, not sugar. Probiotics are usually given during oral baytril use to help repopulate the gut, those bacteria will then feed on the sugar, produce gas and the chin bloats.

 

[lilchinchilla]

Well I looked up the most common baby gas drops and the ingredients I could find:
Baby Gas X Drops:
http://www.gas-x.com/faqs_childrensproducts.shtml#03

Inactive ingredients include: citric acid, flavor, hypromellose, malitol solution, methylcellulose, mon-and di-glycerides, polyethylene glycol, polyethylene stearate, poloysorbate 65, purified water, sodium benzoate, sodium citrate, sorbic acid and xanthan gum.*

Polyethylene glycol - http://www.davidsuzuki.org/issues/h...etics---peg-compounds-and-their-contaminants/
http://mindyourbodyandsoul.com/body/identifying-toxic-ingredients/
Xanthan gum - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xanthan_gum
Isn't Xanthan gum a form of sugar since it says:

It is produced by the fermentation of glucose, sucrose, or lactose by the Xanthomonas campestris bacterium

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-xanthan-gum.htm

Ovol Drops:
http://www.rxmed.com/b.main/b2.phar...graphs/CPS- (General Monographs- O)/OVOL.html

Nonmedicinal ingredients: aluminum magnesium silicate, cellulose, citric acid, flavor, hydrogen peroxide, parabens, polyoxyl 8 stearate and sucrose. pH: 5.9 to 7.5. Energy: 1.2 kJ (0.3 kcal). Sodium: <1 mmol (0.8 mg). Alcohol-, gluten- and tartrazine-free.

Is hydrogen peroxide okay for oral use in chinchillas?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_peroxide

Isn't sucrose also sugar? - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sucrose

Infant's Mylicon:

http://www.pdr.net/drugpages/productlabeling.aspx?mpcode=49954450

Inactive ingredients anhydrous citric acid, benzoic acid, D&C Red #22, D&C Red #28, flavors, glycerides (C14-18, mono- and di-), maltitol, methylcellulose, microcrystalline cellulose and carboxymethylcellulose sodium, polyoxyl 40 stearate, polysorbate 65, purified water, silica gel, sodium benzoate, sodium citrate, xanthan gum

I didn't see orasweet mentioned in there. Which specific baby gas drops are you using? Just curious, so I know which to get. I've always been leery of it myself, and only used gripe water when it came to my kids when they were babies.
Thanks for the info, Dawn. I appreciate your help so much. I admit I don't use the baby gas drops and never had.

 

[ticklechin]

Xanthan gum has no sugar in it, its a byproduct.

http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/custom/1737252/2

I use Little Tummys.

http://www.littleremedies.com/products/little_tummys/gas_relief_drops



Orasweet is used to compound medicine for a sugar free preparation.

http://www.medichest.com/ora-sweetsyrupsugarfree16oz.html

 

[lilchinchilla]

Hm, is there any other kinds of gas drops other than that one? I don't think we have that in Canada, as I can't recall seeing it on the shelves.
I found a list of inactive ingredients - http://dannyspharmacy.com/medicine-...ve-health/little-tummys-gas-relief-drops.html

I don't think the sucralose in the little tummy's is really all that good considering it says sucralose side effects can reduce the amount of good bacteria in the intestinal tract up to 50% (from research conducted on rats.).
It also increases the ph level in the intestines and can cause increases in body weight, and affected the levels of P-glycoprotein.

http://www.kon.org/urc/frank.html

And I looked up ora sweet for the ingredients:

http://www.paddocklabs.com/html/products/pdf/Ora-Sweet SF Sell Sheet.pdf

I looked it up because apparently the saccharin that is in ora sweet is banned in our country at this time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saccharin
It also seems to be really unsafe with rats, not sure about chins?

 

[ticklechin]

Your rat implication is a 1000mg/kg dose, a extreme overdose being used. If orasweet was indeed bad for chinchillas, all those using compounded medicine to improve flavor would have had issues. Raisins can and do cause issues, that is a known fact.

 

[Mt. Zion Chins]

my question still hasn't be answered . I was told the probiotics should be given a hour or two AFTER the antibiotic is given. So can you give the antibiotic and then feed the Essential for Life right after???

 

[ticklechin]

You can give it for flavor with the baytril, but to use it as a probiotic give it 3-4 hours after the dose. If given with it won't deliver the probiotic benefit, just the flavor benefit.

 

[lilchinchilla]

I'm just asking, in hopes of figuring out what is best to use should I need to use baby gas drops in the future, Dawn.
I found links to the health Canada website if it helps about the cancer in rats.

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/securit/addit/sweeten-edulcor/saccharin-eng.php

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/securit/addit/sweeten-edulcor/saccharin_qa-qr-eng.php

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/artificial-sweeteners

I'd trust our government website. I checked the information on the experiment conducts on the groups of rats used, and it seems one group was given high amounts and another given low amounts of saccharin (1%).

I know rats are not chinchillas, so I don't know if it would affect them the same, do you?

I'm not saying anything to prove a point, but I like to keep things simple and natural in my chinchillas diet. Just my opinion. And I am just asking for advice, should I decide one day to use gas drops, which one is best (if available in my country.).
I don't think I can get ora sweet in Canada, unless they use another ingredient other than saccharin?
I never said raisins can't cause issues, by the way.