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CritterLover86

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So, I as of right now, have 4 chinchilla boys in my home.

I work for an animal hospital (I've been volunteering-then-worrking there for 10 years now) The other day Ann, our tech, texted me saying they had a client with a pet chinchilla who needed to be cared for over the weekend (from Friday- Wednesday) and that he was one 2 types of eye medicine and an oral pain medication. Shortly after I texted her back saying I would be happy to look after him, I got a call from the owner and she explained the situation.

Apparently Speedy was out running around and one of her daughters (13 years old) was walking across the room and Speedy slipped underfoot.. and she stepped on him. His eye bulged out of the socket. He was pretty fortunate, considering.. but still.. a big traumatic injury. This was on tuesday night, and they rushed him to the emergency vet. she said his was limp and barely breathing and she thought they were going to lose him before they got there. He was put on Flurbiprofen Opthalmic for inflammation, Neopoly Optho Ointment for infection, Metacam suspension (0.1 ml 1x a day), and Metoclopramide Syrup to help with his appetite. She has to take her daughter to St. Petersburg florida to see a specialist there about her jaw. So she wouldnt be home to care for Speedy and didn't want him only looked in on twice a day. (Their neighbor usually cares for him when they're gone.)

The owner told me yesterday, he had not eaten since Tuesday.. which really worries me.. Then she said "well, he did just eat a little bit of fresh apple, part of a dandelion drop, and a little hay." Again.. very worried here. She brings him over and he looks so pitiful.. he's been handled a lot, and his eye is all greased up and looks very sore. He hasnt been able to bathe at all, looking at him just breaks my heart. Then to see that they were grabbing around his chest to pick him up, and then to hear about his diet... She said that he gets a banana chip or dried apple slice every day, a dandelion drop every day, his food ( Kaytee Fiesta Max) and a pinch of hay. I told her "I hope it won't offend you, but I won't give him any of the fruit or dandelion drops, Chinchillas really arent supposed to have fruit, and in a chin who hasnt been eating, putting sugar and fat in his system is not good for him." Surprisingly, they were very receptive to all the info I gave them.

Speedy barely ate yesterday, and with the fact that she claims he's not been eating since tuesday, I mixed him up some critical care and lifeline to see if he'd go for it.. He eagerly slurped down 2 syringes full! Shortly after, he was pooping! So, I decided that I will offer CC and lifeline several times a day and let him eat his fill on that (he also has the kaytee (with treats picked out), and a little oxbow mixed in) available in his cage. I just want to keep his gut moving, and I'm so glad I keep CC and lifeline on hand!

He is just the sweetest little guy though.. he calmly sits while I put his drops and ointment in, and happily drinks his medicine for me. He's enjoying scritches and the fleece tube I made for him to snuggle in. :) I tell you.. it's going to be hard to give him back.. But I think the owners are wanting to learn all the proper care.. so this is good.

Though, here's the next thing. He was supposed to have his eye re-checked on friday, she waited until friday afternoon to try to get him in, and no luck. When I talked with Ann at work, she was alarmed that he hadn't been seen. We don't work with exotics, and Ann said it'd be better for him to go to an actual exotics vet. So, I got home and called the walk-in clinic, the sister hospital has an exotics vet, but she won't be in until monday. So, I also called the exotic wellness center that Dr. Liz recommended to me when I asked her about a vet for my boys. Apparently she went to vet school with the doctor who owns the hospital and had nothing but good things to say about him. This is also where Speedy's owner wanted to take him and where he would go for eye removal surgery (which will likely be necessary) So they had an appointment for monday morning open. I scheduled it and I'm waiting for the all-clear from the owner. She said if I thought he needed to go in, to just take him, but I do want to double check with her.

If I can get photobucket to work, I'll upload pictures of him, but I was curious if anyone had suggestions for other things I can do for him while we wait for his appointment. He's such a little angel, and I just want to do everything I can for the little darling.
 
I would give .1ml metecam twice a day. How much are you feeding him per day? At least 60ml to 100ml depending how much he will take.
 
I would give .1ml metecam twice a day. How much are you feeding him per day? At least 60ml to 100ml depending how much he will take.

Unfortunately, his last dose of metacam was last night, they gave the owner a little bag with a few pre-filled syringes. We're going to the exotics vet tomorrow morning, so I can definitely see about getting more for him and seeing if he can have it twice a day.. that poor eye has to be so sore..

As far as the food, I've been offering it several times a day and have only been able to get him to take about 45ml. I will offer it more often and try and get at least 60ml in him. Thank you though, I was wondering how much he should be getting. I also got a weight on him so I could monitor that, he's at 746g.

I did want to inquire, I had heard good things about the Essentials For Life syringe feed from Fuzzies Kingdom, and I was wondering if I should order it for him and send it home with his owner? Or should we stick to Critical Care? I have a feeling he will need the eye removed, and I just want the owner to be prepared for more handfeeding. (Though to be honest, if I were able to, I'd keep him myself.. )
 
Either will be fine, depends if he likes it. If he likes CC and eats it without a fight keep him on that for now. He is a good weight and I would shoot for at least 60ml and weigh him daily to make sure what you are feeding him is enough. When they lose weight its a bear to get them to gain it back so its better to be diligent on monitoring weight to keep it steady. If I were in your situation I would offer to keep him until he is well, especially if his owners have not hand fed or dealt with a sick chin before, they might appreciate it.
 
I just finished with a feeding and he did really well! between 27-28ml!

I'll make sure to keep weighing him to make sure he's getting enough. Raider lost weight a little while back (from losing his cagemate, along with a food switch that happened before he lost his cagemage) and I know it took a while for him to put the weight back on, I can imagine it's much harder on a injured chin who's being handfed though.

I was actually thinking about offering to keep him longer, since it does really make me nervous to send him home like this. I noticed that the eye is actually not drying out(or does not seem to be yet) , and the swelling has gone down enough to allow him to blink slightly. It makes me wonder if he'll be able to keep the eye (which would be nice for him to not have to go under surgery) I guess we'll see what the doctor thinks tomorrow. I have to call the owner shortly to get some other information to have on hand for tomorrow, so I will definitely mention about me keeping him longer to handfeed him.
 
CC does not work well for weight gain and even sometimes feeding 100ml a day they still lose. Lifeline keeps the weight on and they will gain with less feedings and quantity, but you end up with poo that is not great looking like you get with CC. Its a balancing act between weight and digestion, both are important when dealing with sick chins. I have no malo chins anymore so I have not had the opportunity to use EFL full time, but I have given it by syringe to a couple and they did like it.
 
Hopefully it's alright that I've been mixing a bit of lifeline in with the CC twice a day, he seems to like it and also seems to be doing well with it. I may stick with the CC for right now, he's eating it well and as of right now, his weight has gone from being 746 last night, to 754 today. He also ate 61ml total today, so much better than yesterday!

There is another bit of good news, for the first time, I saw him fully close his eye tonight! The eye is moist, and not shriveling up, and while he's not able to blink naturally yet, the fact that he can fully close the eye on his own is good! The swelling must be going down. I really hope he won't need surgery, and will be able to keep the eye. I believe him just being allowed to heal from this and keep his eye (even if he's blind in it) would be the best-case scenario for him. We'll see what the vet says tomorrow, I'll be sure to update after the appointment!

Fingers and paws crossed for good news tomorrow!
 
You're really going 'over and above' the usual chin-sitting service!
I hope the owners appreciate you using your experience and knowledge to get this little guy on the road to recovery, as they otherwise would have probably lost him!
Excellent job, and I hope if they take him back, they listen to you to get him completely recovered!
 
Aww, thank you Rickman! It's hard not to want to do everything you can for these guys (and for any animal!) It was so sad to hear her telling him "I hope I'll see you when I get back" She knew he was in bad shape. But she's been so appreciative =) She said "You've been a godsend to me, here you're a complete stanger and you're doing everything you can for our poor little Speedy." She's really been very sweet, and she's also wanting to learn all she can about giving Speedy the right care that he needs (better diet and everything.) I'll be sending her home with a care package for Speedy to help start her off =) A big bag of Oxbow timmy hay, some oxbow pellets, a scrap pack from PPBN, fleece stuff for his cage, etc. I'm also going to print out some info and links to websites where she can get stuff for him. She has really good intentions, just never had the right information to go off of. I'm so greatful that she's been so receptive =)

And I suppose I should give the update now!

First off, I was very pleased with the exotics vet, Dr. Ness. He was very kind, gentle and also very knowlegeable. He combines more traditional medicine with homeopathic approaches. (he even offers animal aromatherapy and accupuncture!) But I would definitely bring my boys there if they ever need to go to a vet. I was very pleased with him and my experience there.

Speedy did very well though with his appointment, He got a thorough exam and handled it all very well, he's a very polite little patient :) Dr. Ness looked at his eye and at this point, is still unsure of whether Speedy will need to have it removed yet or not. It's apparently too early in the healing process to determine that just yet. He may even refer him to an opthomologist in the coming week or so depending on how things go. He did say though, that he's seen worse eye injuries heal up well, and he may possibly even regain some vision. It all depends on what's happening in and behind the eye, but right now the outer damage has to heal more before they can see what's going on.

He also took the scope and looked in his mouth, and said that it was very good that nothing look to be fractured or damaged beyond the bruising and swelling that was there. Which may be the cause of him not eating. I have noticed that when I've given him a rosehip piece, that he wants to nibble on it, but then ends up putting it down.. his poor little mouth is sore. So he's been happily slurping the CC up because he's hungry and it doesn't hurt. Hopefully that swelling will go down soon, and he'll be able to munch on his own again, which I'm sure is what he'd prefer!

For his medication, he's been put on Tramadol (0.09ml twice daily) for pain, the doctor believed that it would be the most effective way to relieve the eye pain. He also wants me to do the eye drops ( Flurbiprofen) 4 times a day, instead of 2, to better aid in bringing the swelling down. He's still getting the Neopoly Optho ointment twice a day, and the Reglan twice a day. I also bought a pound of CC to have plenty on hand (as well as to replenish my emergency stash of it, and to give some to his owners to have on hand.)

Dr. Ness said that the most important thing right now is to keep food in him, and to keep up with treatment. I have to call back in 3-4 days to let them know how he's doing, and then they want him in for a re-check in 8-10 days, I believe they said. At that time, depending on how he is, they may want to do some skull radiographs. So we'll see how everything goes for him.

He has perked up a lot since he's come here, and his poop is finally looking bigger and more normal! I feel like he's definitely stronger, and I'm really hoping he'll just be able to heal from this, and not have to undergo surgery. He is such a little sweetheart, and he's such a fighter! I'm so glad he's doing better, I was so very worried for him when he got here on friday.

Also, depending on his eating, he will be staying here a little longer. His family will come over to visit him on Thursday, but he'll at least be staying until he's eating on his own. I hope for him that it's soon, but it will be hard to give him back, I've gotten so attatched!!!
 
You are definitely doing a great job with him. I would be glad to help with the pellets that you give to Speedy's owner. I'm hoping she will use all of your advice or at least call you if she's in doubt about something. Is the Dr. Ness you speak of located in Lisle?
 
that is good news. keep up the great work. i use tramadol for one of my chins and have excellant results with longer term usage.
i hope Speedy, makes a speedy recovery!
 
Thank you both Sandi and Michelle!

I did send you another PM Sandi, about the oxbow and all :D The owner has been really good about everything so far, and really wants to know what he should be eating, and I figure, what better way to show her than by starting her off with a care package? ;) I figure then she's already got a start, and will have the information to replenish her supplies. She has other chewing critters too (rats and guinea pigs, she says she LOVES rodents, and buys snake-food rats to save them from being eaten) So I think she'll enjoy having ways to get chew toys for everybody at good prices.

Michelle, that's wonderful that the tramadol works well, I'm hoping it'll give him more relief for his injuries.(Poor little guy, he's a trooper!)

Speedy also says thank you for all the well wishes!
 
Lost My Chin Daddy of 3 today. GI Motility Lessons

This is my first post and I joined after a Google search turned up this touching e-mail from CritterLover86. I was looking for answers to what happened only 9 hours after a vet visit. The e-mail I sent to the vet that follows explains maybe more detail than a quick glance can provide.

I'm grateful to CritterLover86 for her thread #15899 which I referred to in my letter to the vet. I've been in tears lot's today so I take some solace in sharing with anyone:

Sincerely,
Valerie

Dear Dr. ( X ):


As you hopefully were made aware, Vinnie passed away around midnight in our arms. He was the father of the 3 little ones.



Please let me preface this by saying that I respect your listed credentials and have no doubt that you're one of the best exotic vets in the area. Also, I'm not one to make quick judgments particularly where my own expertise is minimal. I’m not trying to assign blame but instead, to be better informed.



Below are two things I found on a Google search (see below) regarding GI Motility. The clinical information I read seems to support the accuracy of your analysis on Vinnie's condition. I was also struck by the blog written by a friend/caretaker to a chin named Speedy (second item below). The poor thing was stepped on by a 13 year old girl and the description of the condition seemed to mirror Vinnie's with accuracy. As the blog explains, Speedy did survive by quick attention along with two other treatments in addition to Metoclopramide (Flurbiprofen Opthalmic for inflammation, Neopoly Optho Ointment for infection). "Hindsight is 20-20" but based on this Google search, yet still accepting my limited understanding, I can't help but think the time it takes for poor GI motility to work though a chinchilla may have been underestimated. Also, I'm not sure what specifically "critical care and lifeline" referred to in Speedy's story is, but it seemed to have had rapid results.



During the office visit yesterday, I expressed concern with Vinnie's short erratic breaths along with his appetite which was nil. Since my accidental crushing, Vinnie had periods of mobility and energy that ranged from poor to below average. In your office, he was in the better condition. I wish I would have pursued the breathing and energy with you more persistently.



Finally, I wasn't aware (the vet practice) had a 24 hour technician staffed until the Vet on call advised me on the phone minutes after Vinnie passed away. I would have come in after my first call to (the vet practice) Tuesday morning and again Wednesday evening had I known. I was advised Tuesday morning to wait for Wednesday when you, as the exotic Vet, would be available. Did everyone at (the vet practice) follow the proper protocol?



It's worth noting that your advice to limit giving chins treats is good advice and is reinforced in the first item below. We have promptly changed that habit with our five remaining chins now realizing this too can result in GI Motility



Anyway, I write this to you because I'm still trying to process the conditions and lessons that lead to our precious Vinnie's passing. Also, if any of the material below or experience with Vinnie is helpful to your practice, it'll be worth the time writing you.



Your consideration is appreciated.

Val

First item:
http://www.allcreaturesah.com/Chinchilla Care.pdf
from page 3 of 4...



A chinchilla will lose its appetite for a

variety of reasons. The most common

cause is pain. While dental disease

(discussed separately) and

gastrointestinal (GI) disease are the most

common causes of pain, pain anywhere

in the body can be associated with loss of

appetite (anorexia). Other conditions

that can lead to anorexia include bladder

and kidney infections, uterine infections,

abscesses, respiratory infections, inner

and middle ear infections, strokes,

parasitic diseases, and toxin exposure.

The problem is primarily a GI motility

disorder, which is common in all of the

hindgut fermenters. A high fiber diet is

essential to the health of the GI tract. A

low fiber diet, small particle diet (pellets

as an exclusive diet), excessive

carbohydrates (fruits, nuts, grains),

reduced water intake, lack of exercise, or

any medical condition that causes the

chinchilla to eat or drink less may result

in reduced motility of the GI tract. When

this happens, the stomach contents start

to dehydrate and compact. Reduced GI

motility also leads to accumulation of gas

and toxins and can start to compromise

the blood flow to the intestinal tract. The

less the chinchilla eats or drinks, the

more compacted the contents become

until the chinchilla stops eating entirely.

When the chinchilla stops eating, the

intestinal tract stops moving and the

problem escalates. Since chinchillas

cannot vomit, affected chinchilla will

exhibit anorexia, weight loss, reduction

in stool volume and numbers, and

abdominal pain. A chinchilla with these

signs should be seen by your veterinarian

immediately. Chinchillas will

deteriorate rapidly when they go without

food for extended periods of time. Early

diagnosis and treatment is essential to

saving your pet’s life.



Your veterinarian may require

radiographs and blood work to efficiently

evaluate the chinchilla’s condition.

Medical therapy may include fluid

therapy, forced feedings, medications to

stimulate GI motility, and pain relief.

Depending on the severity of the disease,

your chinchilla may need to stay in the

hospital for treatments until its condition

is stabilized.



Second item: http://www.chins-n-hedgies.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15899


So, I as of right now, have 4 chinchilla boys in my home.

I work for an animal hospital (I've been volunteering-then-worrking there for 10 years now) The other day Ann, our tech, texted me saying they had a client with a pet chinchilla who needed to be cared for over the weekend (from Friday- Wednesday) and that he was one 2 types of eye medicine and an oral pain medication. Shortly after I texted her back saying I would be happy to look after him, I got a call from the owner and she explained the situation.

Apparently Speedy was out running around and one of her daughters (13 years old) was walking across the room and Speedy slipped underfoot.. and she stepped on him. His eye bulged out of the socket. He was pretty fortunate, considering.. but still.. a big traumatic injury. This was on tuesday night, and they rushed him to the emergency vet. she said his was limp and barely breathing and she thought they were going to lose him before they got there. He was put on Flurbiprofen Opthalmic for inflammation, Neopoly Optho Ointment for infection, Metacam suspension (0.1 ml 1x a day), and Metoclopramide Syrup to help with his appetite. She has to take her daughter to St. Petersburg florida to see a specialist there about her jaw. So she wouldnt be home to care for Speedy and didn't want him only looked in on twice a day. (Their neighbor usually cares for him when they're gone.)

The owner told me yesterday, he had not eaten since Tuesday.. which really worries me.. Then she said "well, he did just eat a little bit of fresh apple, part of a dandelion drop, and a little hay." Again.. very worried here. She brings him over and he looks so pitiful.. he's been handled a lot, and his eye is all greased up and looks very sore. He hasnt been able to bathe at all, looking at him just breaks my heart. Then to see that they were grabbing around his chest to pick him up, and then to hear about his diet... She said that he gets a banana chip or dried apple slice every day, a dandelion drop every day, his food ( Kaytee Fiesta Max) and a pinch of hay. I told her "I hope it won't offend you, but I won't give him any of the fruit or dandelion drops, Chinchillas really arent supposed to have fruit, and in a chin who hasnt been eating, putting sugar and fat in his system is not good for him." Surprisingly, they were very receptive to all the info I gave them.

Speedy barely ate yesterday, and with the fact that she claims he's not been eating since tuesday, I mixed him up some critical care and lifeline to see if he'd go for it.. He eagerly slurped down 2 syringes full! Shortly after, he was pooping! So, I decided that I will offer CC and lifeline several times a day and let him eat his fill on that (he also has the kaytee (with treats picked out), and a little oxbow mixed in) available in his cage. I just want to keep his gut moving, and I'm so glad I keep CC and lifeline on hand!

He is just the sweetest little guy though.. he calmly sits while I put his drops and ointment in, and happily drinks his medicine for me. He's enjoying scritches and the fleece tube I made for him to snuggle in. I tell you.. it's going to be hard to give him back.. But I think the owners are wanting to learn all the proper care.. so this is good.
 

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