Possible incorrect diagnosis and medication given to my Chinchilla by the vet?

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Pepperlilly

Chin mom for 6 Years
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East London, South Africa
Hi. My name Jade - I live in South Africa.
My 5 year old male chinchilla, Peppers, has just died and i am convinced the Vet diagnosed and treated him incorrectly.
The Vet openly admitted to me that she does not know much about chinchillas.
His symptoms included;
Lethargic and no energy
Unresponsive and not moving
Not eating - not even his favourite treats
Not drinking
Not pooping
Weight loss
Not social to other chinchillas
Hard little clumps in his tummy
Little spurts of breath
Hunched over

I noticed he was not himself on Thursday the 17th of September. Friday morning I was convinced he was ill as he looked a bit worse. I fed him about 2mls of full cream yogurt with a syringe and left for work. I was reluctant to take him to the vet as our vets here where I live are a bit uneducated in exotic critters and animals. I continued to feed Peppers when I got home with full cream yogurt every 2 hours and then increased it to 4mls at a time along with water – as I was hoping to help him gain weight and I know plain yogurt is really good for bacteria and is a natural into-biotic.
Saturday morning (the 19th of September) I could not take it any longer so I fed him more yogurt and I went to vet. The vet openly admitted to me that she does not know much about chinchillas so it will be difficult for her. I was really doubtful and extremely worried after that.
After feeling his tummy and also noticed that he has small clumps, she took a tiny blood sample to examine under the microscope and said his white blood cells have enlarged and his body was fighting something, but she was still uncertain. After doing an x-ray, she said his lining of his lungs were irregular and he looked constipated. She diagnosed him with a lung infection and slightly constipated. I strongly believe that he had a case of Gostrointenstinal dilation/tummy ulcer/kidney infection as I could feel hard little clumps in his stomach and it was uncomfortable for him when I felt them – and I told her that, yet she said it was his lungs. He was not eating and grinding his teeth a little. He did not pass any stools for a really long time. He also lost about 50grams of body weight (he was a small chinchilla to begin with – his weight was about 480-500 grams). She checked him temperature and it was average. Then she said she will give him 0.04mls of Baytril (which I was not happy about) 0.04mls of Catosol (vitamin B) and 0.04ml of Lacson Syrup (animal laxative). She also gave me an animal electrolyte sachet and said it will be safe for him. She advised that I give him 0.01ml every 2 hours. Off we went home and I nursed him every 2 hours and gave him copious amounts of love and snuggles as I already feared the worst.
Sunday the 20th of September I took him for a follow up appointment. I told the vet he was a bit bouncy this morning and that was the only bit of good news I had, other than that, I said I didn’t notice any deterioration or great increase. So overall – I felt he was the same. I told her he still hasn’t passed any poops and he still has hard clumps in his tummy and I’m not happy that. As she was examining him again, he passed a tiny (under average size) poop. It was really smelly, hard on the one end and really squishy and slimy on the other. I told her that he has a problem with his tummy. It seemed as though she did not acknowledge what I was trying to tell her as she proceeded to tell me that she will continue with the Baytril treatment. She gave him another dose of Baytril, Lacson Syrup and Catosol.
I took home the Baytril injections to administer at home (to save the cost of the vet bills) and also because I have a huge passion for animals and rescuing them etc – I wanted to become a vet but did not have the opportunity to study. I had had a lot of experience first had in this particular situation, so I was very confident in this.
I continued my nursing skills and gave Peppers a lot of attention and continued with all his medication and feeding.
Monday morning the 21st of September – I woke up at 4am. Spent a lot time with Peppers and fed him and kept him warm close to my chest with a blanket over him and rubbing his head softly and kissing his nose bridge and ears and talking softly to him. I gave him his Baytril injection (in his groin just under the skin) and I knew it did properly and was confident after I did it. I was due for work at 8am and I knew I could not leave him at home as I needed to continue feeding him. My office is very quiet and I see no customers so I knew he would be fine and not stressed out. I packed up my cat carrier with blankets and hot water bottles (not too hot at all – just enough to keep him warm) and wrapped them in blankets etc and he snug and safe and packed a cooler bag for all his little yogurts and electrolytes and vitamin c paste. I got to work at 8 am. Did some work and I was due to feed him at about 9.30am.
I prepped him syringes took him out the carrier with a blanket and held him and examined him. He was not well. In fact he was deteriorating. His breathing pattern was very short and his pulse was down. That’s when I knew… I felt his pulse and it had decreased to about 60pulses a minute. And after about every 5 breaths, he would gasp for air. At this point I knew there was nothing I could do except blow air towards his mouth. I called my husband and told him Peppers did not have long to go. I was crying so much. I was holding him and rubbing his ribs and talking to him. I knew I could not feed him anything as he was battling to breathe. So I gave him a drop of water instead. His eyes were changing shape and I could see the pain and suffering in his eyes. I knew he was waiting for his dad to say good-bye. I was rocking him like a baby wrapped up in a blanket and crying because I never imagined he would go so soon.
My husband arrived. He stood opposite me and kissed Peppers and rubbed him while I was holding him. Peppers was very limb at this stage. My husband held me and kissed my forehead and we said good-bye to Peppers and told him we love him and will see you soon. I was holding his chest with my fingers and slowly felt his pulse fade away. I closed his eyes, held him close to my face and sobbed like a child…
I’ll never hear him squeak and chirp again, watch him dust bath and see him wag his tail out excitement or fell him nibble my fingers excitedly when I pick him up. I’ll never be able to pick him up! My heart is shattered to say the least.
Later that day when we buried him, I noticed he didn’t pass any poop or liquid. I know that rodents or animals pass something when they die. This is alarming and making me realise more and more that there was definitely something wrong inside his tummy.
Do you think the Vet did diagnose him incorrectly and do you think she gave him the correct medication?
P.S: I have previously had 4 x gerbils and 2 x dumbo rats – all of them have died after been given Baytril by the Vets an antibiotic following having been diagnosed with a ‘respiratory infection’. The pattern I am seeing here is uncanny and really frustrating for me as I have gone through the same heart ache 7 times.
I just need peace of mind so my husband and I can have closure.
I miss you Peppers and I will always be your mom. I love you more than life itself <3
 
First I'm really sorry for your loss and what I have to say is intended to educate you not criticize you. From the description it sounds a lot like a blockage, x-rays should have been taken of his body, if they weren't, to see what was going on.
Another red flag is that chinchillas should never be given yogurt or other dairy, they don't have the ability to digest dairy. Chinchillas are grass herbivores, unlike most other rodents they don't and can't eat animal products (bones, meat, milk, hide). If you want to give probiotics in the future go with the tablets made for humans and sprinkle it in the food, the easiest way is on a treat.
I personally have no experience with Baytril, but from what I've read from others it's a pretty heavy duty antibiotic and should have been given with an appetite stimulant since it can make chins not want to eat. I can't help on the other drugs as I fortunately have never had to use them, but a laxative of some sort sound like the right call in any case to try to get things moving. As to what the chin should have been given for food (since yogurt is indigestible), ideally critical care if you have it down there, but otherwise ground up food with water. You can grind up the pellets and add water to make a food that can be fed (force fed if need be) though a syringe.

The fact that the poop was smelly and slimy makes me think a gut infection, which would explain the elevated white blood count. My thoughts are he got an impaction, the blocked food started to rot causing an infection.

If you have another chin, or plan to get another I strongly advise you to look around for a vet that has even a basic knowledge of chinchillas. Even if you have to drive hours to get to the vet it can mean the difference in whether you chin lives or dies. If nothing else find a vet willing to listen to you if they don't know about chinchillas. The fact that the chin was not passing any poop should have been a huge red flag, since chins need to poop every minute or so, if they aren't pooping then their digestive tract is not moving/working and when it stops it starts to die within 12-24 hours. Once a chin's gut stops moving all together it can be very hard to get it going again.

I know how frustrating it is paying a vet money expecting them to be able to treat your pet and knowing more then they do. When I first got chins over 20 years ago they were new to the pet world in my area, and the best thing I could do was go to the vet with having done research myself. This forum has a wealth of knowledge, if finding a vet that knows chins is not an option the next best thing is to inform yourself to help steer the vet in the right direction. But going to the vet armed with knowledge is only useful if the vet you go to is willing to listen.
 
Treatment for a impaction-this is what is described does not involve baytril, Vit B or laxatives. The deal with impactions is this-a x-ray would need to be taken to determine where the impaction is, treatment revolves around that. I will assume it was in the cecum since that is where it usually happens. The chinchilla would have started out with stasis-the digestive tract stops contracting for a variety of reasons, when this happens the body will rob the intestinal tract of water leaving whatever is in there to dry out-this mass needs to be hydrated with sub Q fluids for a couple of days before treatment to move the mass occurs. Feeding very small meals just enough to barely keep alive-remember there is a bloackage so what goes in is not coming out. After the chin is hydrated motility drugs and gut massages frequenty along with repeated x-rays to determine if the mass is moving. Pain meds are important to prevent shock. Feeding a high fiber food by syringe gets aggressive if the mass moved along with the massages until it passes if it passes. There are cases that no amount of heroics work, the best you can do is try to prevent it from happening to other chins in the future. Chins only need high quality pellets, hay and fresh water and they need to be monitored daily for food and water intake-nip the problem of not eating as soon as possible and the problem won't occur.
 
Hey Everyone.

Wow, the advice and consolation really does mean a whole lot to me - THANK YOU! :heart5:
Both of you, (Amethyst and Ticklechin) i thank you for your wonderful and detailed feedback. It sheds more light and makes me more aware of a few things.

Yes i do have 2 other chinchillas, so this is why id like to get to feedback from other people who have more experience than me. Id like to gain for this and eliminate all possibilities if my chins becoming ill. I'd like to provide the best home for my chinchillas as possible and make their lives happy.

About the dairy, i actually didn't know that chins cant digest dairy. I really hope i didnt contribute to his tummy problem :cry3: but i will keep in mind of the other pro-biotic solutions that i can crush to sprinkle over his food. Ill also keep in mind to moosh his pellets up with water and feed it to them rather if i am ever in this situation again. Rather stick with their pellets - got it!

X-rays were taken of him and the vet did say that he looked constipated, but she kept harping about his lungs. I was annoyed because his lungs really weren't the issue. Im just so sorry that she was not prepared to listen to me.
I am actually collecting the X-ray later today (it will be on a cd disk) so i can keep it for myself and seek diff opinions from other vets or possibly members from this site too.

Where i live, the vets who specialise in exotic animals are very few and far between. But i will make it my mission to search for a vet who knows a lot about them or, like you say, find a vet who will listen to me next time :hmm: i was annoyed with the vet as she didnt take the time or compassion to ever research about the critter that she didnt know much about. (its amazing how our instincts really come alive in certain situations - i know it did for me)

I only wish i knew this all before hand, that way he may still have been here. But from now one going forward, i will DEF do things differently with my 2 girls, Neela and Lilly.

Thank you once again for your support and messages, it really does help me so much and opens my mind a bit more than before.

For those of you that would like, once i have received the x-ray, i could possibly upload the image for you and if you would like to put your eyes on.

But for now here are my babies. Currently i only have Lilly and Neela.

I hope you enjoy!
 

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Post the x-ray here, lots of us have dealt with this issue and can look at it for you. BTW your kids are cute!
 
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