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JohhnyBishop

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Hi All,
I am in the process of rehoming two of my chinchillas and I have been contacted by some people who run business where they take animals to schools and care homes to provide some therapy.
I have been contacted twice by such individuals and I am quite reluctant knowing that chinchillas sleep when in this case they would be "on duty" at some foreign locations surrounded by strangers.
I don't know about other rodents and their daily habits but I reckon this would be a form of mistreatment of chinchillas and a life in a such mobile circus would cut their lifespan by half.
What are your thoughts?
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I think it would be a terrible idea for 99.9% of chins. First most chins are not suited for that, they would need to be abnormally outgoing and not skittish of strangers at all, and be ok with regular travel which most aren't. Most chins take at least a week if not longer to adjust to a new place, but you can get the odd one that doesn't realize it's a prey animal and takes life in stride. So unless they are extremely laid back chins regular travel and new people is going to be very stressful, and that is still assuming all the humans are behaving (no loud voices, screaming, crying, no grabbing at them, etc). You can't train them to be ok with that either it comes down to personality.
Next when traveling from place to place what is their setup, do they have secure encloses in the vehicle with zero contact with other animals (including preventing airborne transmission of things), and can they guarantee climate control at all times? So not only kept in AC in the vehicle (ideally in climate controlled cage/compartments) but also every place they are going, I know not all schools and care places have AC or working AC at all times. Even if the temp outside is cool, a room full of people can heat up quickly, meaning AC would likely be needed to keep the temp cool enough. Depending on the care home if they have AC they might not be willing or able to keep it low enough do to making the residents too cold (ideally below 20C with a room full of people). Also what age group and ablity level would they be in contact with, chins are fragile so even if you have the most chill chinchillas I would still not advise them to go to someone that is going to be taking them around young kids (under 12) or people that can't control themselves (physically or mentally), so I'm not sure how much "therapy" they would be. Also do they have things setup so they can make sure no one touches the chins and/or the chins can go back into their cage where they can't be disturbed if things get too much for them?

So I guess the bottom line, if they are the "perfect" chins (very laid back, good with handling and strangers, and enjoys travel), and the people can guarantee secure climate controlled enclosures while traveling and proper temp and humidity everywhere they go. As well as never take the chin around people that are unable to control themselves, it might work, however the likelihood of all that is very slim.

I do think some other rodents would work much better for that "job" though, things like rats, hamsters, or even guinea pigs would all be much much better options then a chinchilla. If they really want something similar to a chinchilla that is going to be more laid back they should look into rabbits, some of the larger breed rabbits can be very tolerant with handling.
 

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This is what I thought. I keep an eye and perhaps such people should be educated if not reported.
People need to educate more because they don't do any good to people and animals that are not up for the job.
I reckon female chinchillas are out of question but I do have one female that is forthcoming.
I think boys would be better for this kind of assignments but again as you said it has to be that laid-back type male.
The environment and conditions is another bag of concerns.
 

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Noooo. Everything that Amethyst said in spades. Chinchillas are not something that should be used for this.
 

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I'd say definitely not a good idea. The sleeping during the day because they are nocturnal aspect would be a big problem for the chins if forced to br active. Also, not all chins like to be held, so if they go to jump & run and someone inexperienced is holding them, trys to prevent them from jumping, they could squeeze it too hard and hurt them.
 

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Totally agree with Amethyst. Those people are lucky that you are polite because in your place I would have been too tempted to ask what they have been smoking or whether their knowledge of chins comes from those TikTok clips showing chins in hats.

My rescue boy is so placid that one can get his coat groomed while he dozes of and if the comb hits a snag, he just hisses and goes back to snooze mode. He is even capable of some kind of training. But as much as I woudl like to get people who need it most to enjoy the magic of chins, I would never dream of having him as therapy animal. The reason, in addition to all the ones already mentioned in other posts, is their sheer unpredictability.

I had several breeds of sighthounds (Borzois, Salukis and iggies) and like chins, they are born bolters. They all seem to have a randomised switch in their brains that when it clicks, off they go, out of the blue, at lightening speed. Whether they see a movement, get spooked or get the zommies, you just cannot trust them off the lead anywhere near traffic or out of a secure enclosure, even when well trained. That is why I never entrusted them to anyone who, not matter how much they knew about dogs, never had hounds: they were just bound to get into some heart arresting scrapes.

Hounds are hunters and chins are prey but as extremes often touch, both are very similar in that respect. And one can train a chin to run but 'stop' is not a notion they can grasp.

BTW: perhaps you know this already and I apologise if I am stating the obvious, but in the UK there are private Facebook rehoming-only groups, with about 5K members each. May save you from having to deal with pesky 'but-I-saw-it-in-TikTok' individuals who may have had a smoke too many with a certain prince of the realm.
 
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JohhnyBishop

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Totally agree with Amethyst. Those people are lucky that you are polite because in your place I would have been too tempted to ask what they have been smoking or whether their knowledge of chins comes from those TikTok clips showing chins in hats.

My rescue boy is so placid that one can get his coat groomed while he dozes of and if the comb hits a snag, he just hisses and goes back to snooze mode. He is even capable of some kind of training. But as much as I woudl like to get people who need it most to enjoy the magic of chins, I would never dream of having him as therapy animal. The reason, in addition to all the ones already mentioned in other posts, is their sheer unpredictability.

I had several breeds of sighthounds (Borzois, Salukis and iggies) and like chins, they are born bolters. They all seem to have a randomised switch in their brains that when it clicks, off they go, out of the blue, at lightening speed. Whether they see a movement, get spooked or get the zommies, you just cannot trust them off the lead anywhere near traffic or out of a secure enclosure, even when well trained. That is why I never entrusted them to anyone who, not matter how much they knew about dogs, never had hounds: they were just bound to get into some heart arresting scrapes.

Hounds are hunters and chins are prey but as extremes often touch, both are very similar in that respect. And one can train a chin to run but 'stop' is not a notion they can grasp.

BTW: perhaps you know this already and I apologise if I am stating the obvious, but in the UK there are private Facebook rehoming-only groups, with about 5K members each. May save you from having to deal with pesky 'but-I-saw-it-in-TikTok' individuals who may have had a smoke too many with a certain prince of the realm.
I agree.
I think Pets4Homes website is good but there is too many spam queries what I mean by people some passerbyers who express interest in an animal but then disappear in the ether. It looks like a waste of time to converse with such people.
Indeed I was thinking to advertise on FB on those groups but I just didn't have time or to be honest in the process I bonded with the animals and my second self is jeopardizing the efforts :D
To me re-homing is a different league.
 

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mine won't sit still long enough to even get regular non-blurry photo
Would not put it past chins to be self conscious, with one saying to the other 'Oh, no! Look: camera pointing at us! Quick, quick, run; what if we end in social media and our bums look big in this???:)
 
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