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MzTay2010
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That is a poor attitude to have.
Isn't that too bad because some people really do need to shut up.
That is a poor attitude to have.
The OP was the one who brought up "having babies" in this thread - so it's not exactly off topic. If she didn't want it discussed, maybe she shouldn't have slipped that tidbit in the "pros" of this cage as she sees it. Of course, the members that disagree with the OP are going to rebut that....there is nothing wrong with the course the thread has taken at this point...other than the attitude in which some of the responses have been taken.
I prefer the Ferret Nation quite honestly. The CN is not baby safe as was already pointed out. Ask a responsible breeder. The maximum spacing in order to be baby safe is 1/2 x 1 inch. God forbid they try to stick their little heads through that wire...
They are not, and that thinking isn't going to sell them.
Agreed. But, you know, if the mother dies in the birthing process because of complications or the babies suffer genetic, fatal and painful problems, "it happens". Remember?
Also, to who ever said they liked the FN because of the larger bar spacer, I agree! I love giving my babies scritches through the bars. And they loooovveeee sticking their noses through larger bars to steal sticks from my fingers.
Many people here ARE experts and I'll bet know tons more than your vet does. Many vets don't know crap about chinchillas.
By the way, self policing is against the rules. You can't tell people not to reply to your thread or to "shut up".
Who said it was? I am not selfishly breeding my beloved pets and risking their lives just to get cute babies just because I can. I really try hard not to be rude but I can not stop myself, you are a nut job.Well if that the case, Ferret Nation definitely isnt baby safe.
Let me change my last post and say that I find your lack of open-ness AND immaturity quite sad......if you're going to play God and breed your chinchillas regardless, at least grow up. I am quite close to you, and no, chinchillas are NOT rare. I can point you in many directions fairly close that have breeders with 100's of chins..
Who said it was? I am not selfishly breeding my beloved pets and risking their lives just to get cute babies just because I can. I really try hard not to be rude but I can not stop myself, you are a nut job.
.......I'm not the one going around wishing I was a chin expert.
You did a great job with that cage! I thought about the CN, but opted for the FN instead because of price, and the fact that I want to scritch my chinnies through the cage like others mentioned (oooh, and my FN comes tomorrow!)...I do like the bar spacing, however, from the standpoint that it gives you some more options for arranging shelves, hammocks, and the like. Enjoy the cage and your chins!
Are you happy with the covers you ordered online? I'm planning to make some, but I was wondering if you thought you got a good deal with the ones you ordered.
Here's my two cents, and I'll probably get jumped for opening my mouth. But I'm NOT trying to be rude...
The OP, while I do feel she has the best interest of her chins at heart, didn't think it through that well...Even if the bar spacing is alright, the height definitely isn't that good. Chins can jump pretty high, bounce off the walls and land on babies. A member on here had a mom to jump off a ledge that wasn't even six inches off the ground, land on a baby, the baby went into shock and died. I'm not trying to scare you.
When my rescue was believed to be pregnant (wasn't, thankfully) I invested my money into some maternity cages. With shipping, it wasn't but $35 I think.
And while chins in your area might be rare, that also means that knowledgeable people in your area will be rare. Which means you're going to have a lot of rescues on your hands with "Oh I had no idea they lived that long, it's not worth the effort" or "You seriously can't put them in cedar bedding? What a rip" or "Guinea pig food isn't good for them? What am I supposed to feed them then?"
Part of breeding is to breed for the attributes the chinchilla is known for. Blocky build, thick and soft fur, etc. If you don't do that, you'll have a lot of pinched neck and lanky chins that in a few years will be mistaken for an overly large, overly fuzzy gerbil (No offense to gerbils). I think the point is chins should look like chins, and the only way to keep them looking like chins is to breed the best with the best.
Running the rescue for just those few months, I saw so much crap. Chins being kept in cages with no fleece liners, no shavings, males with females because people didn't care to check the gender, guinea pig food being fed, horrible diarrhea, calcium deficiency problems, being kept in a cramped cage on the back porch, and that was just from 3 chins. I thought I knew it all, but I ran back here for support every time I couldn't figure something out. These people are a life line, and most vets have no idea what they're talking about when it does come to chins, they relate them to rabbits and go from there.
I think the point I'm trying to make is don't burn bridges. At some point, be it in 3 months or 3 years, you'll need to cross those bridges again.
I do think this thread has gotten off topic, but I do also believe these people want the best for your chins and are willing to argue that. I know it's frustrating, I definitely do, but maybe if you relax and start another thread saying "I want to know about breeding. Here is what I know: and here is what I want to know: if any of my info is wrong, please correct me."
I do like your cage, I think it's nifty, but please please don't burn these bridges. These people in one way or another will some day be a life line.
Hmm...I think I personally like the FN better =P I've been wanting a FN for a little over a year now and I'm getting one Sunday (WOO!) so I guess I'll see if I like it, and heck, if I don't I can always spring for a CN later. I've never been a big fan of horizontal things for some reason, call me OCD. You do have it blinged out though, it looks nice.
I think the critter nation is great but it just costs way to much more than the nation for the only minor changes that have been made. Just out of curiosity b/c I obviously don't know, can a baby turn it's head sideways and stick it through the bars and then get it's head stuck? I thought they couldn't get through a 1/2 inch space regardless of the length. Can someone explain the risks to me? Does anyone have any personal experience with this problem? I don't quite understand. I would appreciate it if someone could break it down for me. To the op you did an excellent job on that cage! If I had the money and didn't already have a fn I would be all over that cage. I may get one in the future b/c I really like how the bars are made horizontal instead of vertical. Ole Herc. would really enjoy climbing those!
Thanks Diva Chins but they seem like their too demanding.What they dont realize is that Im not waking up everyday wishing that my chins have babies. They are male and female and they get along really well.Their always cuddling and grooming each other and all that other stuff.I got my male chin first and the reason I got a female after him from a breeder was because I dont think that he would have accepted another male chin into his cage so gracefully.
I believe we have a misunderstanding. I in no way think we should not inform MzTay2010 about the possible out comes of breeding but her returning comments to the people telling her this make it seem as if she is shutting down and not listening to what they have to say. The way people are informing her is going the opposite direction of what they want. With comments like, " At this point what anyone else says doesn't matter.End of conversation. " and "So your little remarks are not going to make me change my mind." worry me very much. My biggest fear is that she will leave the forum because she feels mistreated and then because she will breed them and if there is a minor complication or worse a major one with only small signs she will not come here for advice.
I at no point thought any one here didn't care for the well being of this creature. I think there is a ton of great of advice to be gleaned from everyone here and I have the utmost respect for them. The information is great but will not be listened to if the recipient is offended by the way it was given. I will always defend some one when others are ganging up on them and ailienating them, they will learn nothing from this accept to become set in the "I'll prove them wrong." mentality.
I don't know how to conclude this one, I've written three already but none of them were helpful. Inform as you feel will be most effective.
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