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kenzieann

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I apologize in advance for the length of this post! I just want to give as many details as possible

Last Tuesday my chinchilla Thor, started having forest green poop with puddles (not even exaggerating) of slime and mucous. I took him to the vet that day and she said that the poop came back normal with the regular fecal that she ran, but that it looked like he wasn't digesting his food properly and she said that there was some bad bacteria in his GI that was causing the green feces. By the time I got him to the vet the green feces had stopped and was back to a black, slightly soft and wet consistency. She prescribed 0.2 mL of Baytril for him (which I already knew could cause a decreased appetite) and a probiotic (Acidophilus) which I was instructed to give to him at least an hour after the Baytril. She also wanted me to put newspaper in his cage so that I could monitor his poops and clean them out more easily each day. She set up an appointment for me the next Tuesday (yesterday). The vet tech gave him his first dose of Baytril orally and sent me home with him.

That night he ate his pellets (Mazuri), hay (2nd cut Timothy from KMS hayloft), and water (filtered) just fine. The next day, his poop went from the larger, slightly wet, to dry and jagged at the edges. They looked extremely painful to pass. I had looked at the prescription on the Baytril and it said to give him a dose every 2 hours, which sounded like a lot to me, especially when the vet had verbally told me to only give him 0.2 once a day. I gave him the dose that morning before the vet opened just in case, because I had to leave home before the vet actually opened.

That night he wasn't pooping very much at all, and it didn't look like he had eaten or drank anything all day, even though he usually does. I gave him some canned pumpkin that night (per vet instructions). I also gave him another dose of Baytril because the vet wasn't returning my phone calls.

The next morning (Thursday morning), he had eaten almost all of his hay and had drank some water (I had marked the bottle with a marker to see how much he drank). His poops were still the same jagged edges, but there were even fewer than before. I did NOT give him the Baytril this morning. By this point, I had become very uneasy about him not eating his pellets suddenly. I called the vet as soon as they opened and (thank goodness!!) the receptionist answered. She said that she got my message the day before but had forgotten to call back. She had checked his file and he was only supposed to be getting the Baytril once a day. I asked her for verification on the gram stain that the vet had run (I wanted to know the exact bacteria if possible). The receptionist said there was no record of a gram stain being done, and that the vet just analyzed his feces to determine he wasn't properly digesting his food. I told her that was ridiculous and that I was going to stop the Baytril altogether. She said that she didn't advise that, and that she would have the vet call me later (I never received that phone call).

By that night, Thor was still eating his hay, but he hadn't touched his water. I tried putting some pedialyte in his water bottle, as well as tried to syringe feed him some water. I got about 10 mLs in him, before he was completely annoyed at me.

Friday morning, he hadn't eaten any hay at all, and his pellets still remained untouched. I let it go, hoping he would eat some later that day. I tried giving him the acidophilus tablet, and he only nibbled on it (prior to this he had been eating at least half each time I gave it to him twice a day). He kept trying to jump up onto my shoulder when I opened his cage and he still had his normal energy, so I wasn't too concerned.

By Saturday night he hadn't pooped at all since Friday night (almost 24 hours). I was scared to death that he had gone into stasis. I mixed up some critical care that I had on hand and mixed some canned pumpkin with it. For clarification, the pumpkin I gave him was 100% pumpkin...no spices added. He ate about 10 mLs of that in an hour period. I stayed up the entire night with him, massaging his belly and giving him as much CC as he would eat. He was willingly eating it, not refusing it or anything. By Saturday afternoon he had about 1.5 tablespoons of CC in his system and started having poops the size of BB gun pellets.

I continued feeding him the CC all of Sunday, and his poops doubled in size. No where near what they should've been, but it was definite progress. He started nibbling on hay, but wasn't eating pellets or drinking water. By this point it had been 3 or so days since he had touched his water bottle. I got about 1.5 tablespoons of CC in him all of Sunday.

Monday morning I called the vet as soon as they opened. I was panicking and really didn't know what else to do. When I took him in they said he looked fine. Instead of weighing 1 pound even, he weighed 1.25 pounds (which didn't sound right to me that only eating CC would make him gain that much!). I insisted that they weigh him in grams, and they got him at 590 grams. The vet said he felt slightly bloated but that she thought that was from the CC. She said that he seemed completely energetic to her and that she didn't know what I was talking about when I said he was more lethargic than normal. I told her I know his normal activity level since I've had him for almost a year and a half and that this wasn't it. She said his poops looked completely normal (they were about half the size they should be) but that they were really dry and I needed to get fluids into him ASAP. I told her that the CC I was giving him was pretty watered down because I was worried about him being dehydrated. She advised the pedialyte, which I told her I was already trying to give him. She refused to give him any subcutaneous fluids because she didn't want to drown him (even though she said his poops looked really dry and he was dehydrated!!!). She said that as long as his activity level is up that it doesn't matter how much he's pooping or eating. She said to give him pellets, hay, and CC--whatever he will eat. She said that she thinks he's not eating or drinking because I am stressing him out. She also thinks that he had an allergic reaction to the Baytril because she's never seen a chinchilla get a decreased appetite from it.

Since Monday, I've gotten my own gram scale (my old one had broken) and Monday night I got him at 585 grams. Tuesday morning 580, and Tuesday night 585. That was with giving him maybe 5 mL of CC, and him eating some hay. He is still pretty active and trying to jump onto my shoulder again. A bit less lethargic than he was, so maybe I shouldn't be so worried about him. I just don't want him to die!! I know I should've started him on the CC sooner than I did, just in case :( any suggestions??
 
The vet seems to have learned some things about chinchillas but is off the mark for the most part. The liquid poo is one of the first symptoms of stasis, in that the vet was correct that the food was not digested and bacteria would be present because of it but the vet did not diagnose the original issue that caused it, by throwing baytril (NOT A CHOICE) at the problem without a diagnosis just made matters worse for you and the chinchilla. Baytril has nasty side effects when given orally and after those side effects take place it sticks around, the chin may take 2-3 weeks to get over them and start eating again. The vet should have done a oral exam also to make sure teeth are not a issue that would have caused the not eating and a whole body x-ray should also have been done to check for bloat or semi-impactions. CC does not cause bloat, the mechanism of eating the CC can cause the chin to gulp air that can cause issues, some chinchillas when hand fed need simethicone to combat it. 5ml a day is WAY WAY too little of food, 45ml a day is just enough to keep the digestive system working, 60ml is more average. Feedings should happen every few hours when digestive problems are present, 5ml a sitting until you reach at least 45ml, if the chin will eat more at one sitting go for it, 10ml is a average. What goes in comes out and at this point you are not feeding enough, he needs the fiber of the CC to keep things moving and stabilize the digestive system. If fed 45ml of CC a day in a thick milkshake consistancy he does not need additional water, the CC provides enough.
 
Thank you for your quick reply!

I've given him about 10 mLs of CC in the past 30-45 minutes. This morning when I checked on him he was nibbling on some pellets, and his water level is slightly lower in his water bottle. I gave him a stopper full of simethicone after the CC. Also, when I weighed him this morning he hadn't lost any weight since last night.

At what point do I determine he is fine without the CC? Will he need to be weaned off of it or will be gradually go back to nibbling on the pellets (like I found him doing this morning?). Is there anything I can do in the future to prevent stasis? He hadn't had any drastic changes in diet, etc before he had that green poop. It was pretty out of the blue, and he had been acting pretty normally up to that point. Even now, he is mostly back to his normal self

One other thing I forgot to add. The vet gave me milk of thistle on the Monday visit, saying it would help his intestines and liver. The directions are to give 0.2 mL every 12 hours until it's gone. I was slightly confused by this because everywhere I've read says that milk of thistle is more used to treat liver disease--and she said that its to keep his liver, kidneys, and intestine healthy. I have NOT given him any of it, because I'm hesitant to throw yet another change in his diet, especially with how badly the Baytril worked out.
 
Sending Good vibes your way. Hope your chin feels better.
:-/

Ticklechin -
Do u have recommendation for simethicone ? I went looking for this stuff to have a first aide kit at the ready and a lot of baby gas drops have sweeteners and dyes :-(
 
If you can get 45ml a day into him and do it for a couple of days and his poo returns to normal, then I would wean off, subtract 10ml a day until stopped watching his poo and food intake-gut issues are a bear to deal with and IMO and my experience its better to give the CC too long rather than too little, error on the safe side. Gas usually precipitates stasis when the issue is not tied to not eating, so he could have been gassy for who knows what reason, even mine who get jack besides pellets and hay get gas once in the while. The milk thislte I have no experience with nor would I want to learn, just my opinion.
 
Sending Good vibes your way. Hope your chin feels better.
:-/

Ticklechin -
Do u have recommendation for simethicone ? I went looking for this stuff to have a first aide kit at the ready and a lot of baby gas drops have sweeteners and dyes :-(

I use childrens mylicon, they all seem to have junk in the trunk but I never see any reactions besides good ones using it.
 
Just saying your chinchilla could've gotten a bad stomach if you fed him a large amount of non-dried fruit, but i'm not a expert so do more research and maybe you'll find more info! Your chinchilla should be fine, but still keep a good eye on him because you never know what could happen! :p
 
I haven't given him any fruit. At most he gets a sugar free shredded wheat every other day or so, but that isn't anything new--so it shouldn't be upsetting his health.

I called the vet yesterday, requesting an appointment to get an x-ray done. I wanted to make sure that there were no impactions, and to maybe see what's going on. The receptionist called me back and said that the vet doesn't think that an x-ray is necessary because there isn't anything else wrong with him. She seems to think that the Baytril cured all.....

In addition to that, the receptionist said that in her OWN opinion, if I think he's really that bad off that euthanasia might not be a bad option...... REALLY???? I hung up right then and there.

I'm debating calling another exotic vet about 45 minutes away from my house and taking him there. Not only for a second opinion but to hopefully get some x-rays (and maybe more answers?).
 
Sounds like chinchilla vet second opinion is needed. Make sure that the vet truely takes care of chinchillas frequently. Not all exotic vets are really used to caring for chins.
 
I haven't given him any fruit. At most he gets a sugar free shredded wheat every other day or so, but that isn't anything new--so it shouldn't be upsetting his health.

I called the vet yesterday, requesting an appointment to get an x-ray done. I wanted to make sure that there were no impactions, and to maybe see what's going on. The receptionist called me back and said that the vet doesn't think that an x-ray is necessary because there isn't anything else wrong with him. She seems to think that the Baytril cured all.....

In addition to that, the receptionist said that in her OWN opinion, if I think he's really that bad off that euthanasia might not be a bad option...... REALLY???? I hung up right then and there.

I'm debating calling another exotic vet about 45 minutes away from my house and taking him there. Not only for a second opinion but to hopefully get some x-rays (and maybe more answers?).

Holy Sheet, the receptionist said that??? What a BEECH. A full body x-ray is not a big deal, the chin is not put under so the vet really has not excuse to not do it to eliminate a problem. The vet either does not know chins or does not care and thinks they are throw away pets not worth his time. If you can do the vet farther away it might not be a bad idea even for the chance to see if he/she is any good, it can't hurt since there was/is a real issue.
 
Not too much luck with this vet either. In fact, he was less help than the other one. Although his receptionist and his websites says he specialized specifically in chins, he didn't even know what a dust bath was! He did give Thor a prescription for metoclopramide with instructions to give him 0.5 mL 30 minutes before giving him the critical care.

He also didn't do an X-ray. I was completely willing to pay whatever it cost, and he seemed to think he knew better. Thor has always been on the skinny side, in the entire year and a half I've had him he's always had a fairly flat belly and I've always been able to feel the bones in his body. When he was growing I always thought it was a concern, but it hasn't seemed to cause him any problems--I'm assuming it's just genetics. But now, he has a swollen (sometimes tighter and sometimes more doughy-feeling) belly. The vet claims that's normal for any rodent and that what I know to be a baseline for my chin when he isn't sick is incorrect.

I'm going to continue giving him the CC. I got about 50 mL into him yesterday, but still pretty small poops. Unless I see a drastic change from how he's doing I'll just treat him as best I can. I'm pretty discouraged from these supposed "specialists" and exotic vets.
 
Okay....so this morning when I got off work a considerable amount of pellets were gone. About 1 tablespoon. The number of poops he's had has probably doubled. Last night when I weighed him before working he weighed 580 (he's maintained that weight for 2 days now with a fluctuation of 1-2 grams). This morning he weighs 574, but his stomach is hardly swollen at all like it was yesterday. Is it possible that some of that weight loss is from bloat going away?

Also, every time I go to syringe feed him CC, he goes over to the back corner of his cage (his pee corner) and pees. He had urinated twice this morning before I got a weight on him. Could this also account for weight loss? Every time I go to feed him CC, he goes to eat hay or pellets. Should I continue trying to force him to eat it with the food he's eaten? He has not touched his water bottle (and yes I just checked it to make sure it's functioning properly). My concern with stopping the CC is him not drinking any water.

I also don't want to jump to any conclusion that he's suddenly all better just because there was a slight improvement during the night. Though it's hard for me not to!!
 
You may not be seeing him drink but obviously he is. He could not pee if he isn't drinking. I would stop the CC if he is eating pellets and avoiding the feedings. See how he does over the next couple of days. If he stops eating again, you can go back to the CC. Your big clique will be his weight. They can loose 10 grams in one urination so don't panic. Watch instead for a downward trend. If he remains stable or gains, the cc is no longer needed. And yes, the peeing could be the weight loss you saw.
 
Just noticed from your first post you're from Utah. Let me know which vets you've seen, i'm from Utah and haven't been to see a chinchilla vet yet, but would like to know the two you went to so I can avoid them. Our regular vet (we have two cats) recommended one for chinchillas and I was going to check them out.
 
Just noticed from your first post you're from Utah. Let me know which vets you've seen, i'm from Utah and haven't been to see a chinchilla vet yet, but would like to know the two you went to so I can avoid them. Our regular vet (we have two cats) recommended one for chinchillas and I was going to check them out.

I went to Riverwoods Pet Hospital in Provo the first few visits. The most recent one was to A Caring Vet in Lindon.
 
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