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Hello to anyone who remembers me...it's been a long time. I still lurk every now and then, and this conversation was interesting enough I HAD to post. Let me start with odds are very much in favor of these two mutations being one in the same. That said without reading the paper, only this...

Ok new day I'm ready to try again. You said: How exactly is this so? Red tint is a genetic trait that is believed to be dominant. Anybody with a basic knowledge of chin genetics and breeding quality chins would at least know it was genetic and would probably know it is believed to be...

Saying that is easy, but you have shown otherwise through this entire thread, and you actually continued to with an incorrect statement you just made while telling everyone how well you know genetics.

ok, hopefully somebody else can get this through to you. You have literally misunderstood every single thing I have posted, and I've made it pretty clear. I wish I could say you just weren't reading my post but it seems like you are....I am at a loss for words...

There is no nice way to say this, so please don't take it personally, but fro m the things you are saying it is obvious you are debating something which you have no real knowledge of or background of working with. In the real world things don't work the way you seem to see them in your head...

If it ever happened it would be a disaster for quality. Every off color chin would be a "red carrier". They would be passed on to the unknowing as something special, and off color chins would run a muck. As a further note, nobody has "developed" a color in chins, closest we have was...

Those are links to your own hard drive, nobody else can see them. To answer your original question, no they are not compatible. If they reproduce they may alter space time as we know it. Turns out the hybrids of beiges and whites form a perfect flux capacitor. So please do not breed...

Ummm....isn't ranchers choice the feed that killed hundreds of chins out west when it first hit the market? I haven't heard the name since then and honestly had no clue they were still making it.

Yes 44 is too cold. Far too cold....that's my answer and I'm sticking too it

So by your logic a product from a one man operation with no marketing, no distribution, no R and D, no testing, and most importantly no MSDS is safer then a product with all of those things that contains silica? It very well may be, nobody really knows for sure. How do we know it does not...

I might not have been very clear. I'm not saying color mutations are worthless anymore, just that the value is most likely novelty value, and personally I don't think that gives a new mutes nearly as much potential value as they had when they were viewed as a new color to bring to market. If...

I can see two reasons instantly this "mutation" could matter if it does turn out to be a genetic situatiion, which I feel it is...if it was a physiological issue I think we would have seen it before now. First,if it did prove to be a new recessive mutation, there would then be a chance for...

Genetically this is a very strange situation, and I personally do not think it is a recessive. Mom and dad are not related as far back as the records provided on the site. That means IF this were indeed a recessive it would be a very old mutation to have found it's way into two distinct line...

did the vet have anything to say about nursing on the medication? Personally I would get her on Bactrim, as Baytril generally is not used on kits. The pain medication also worries me, but it seems any vet worth a darn should have mentioned it, so I'll assume it is ok for the kit.

Linda, These a feelings I've had for a long time now, and if CnQ was still up I could show you old posts to support that. I noticed you didn't answer my other questions: On the topic of health and temperament, sorry if I came across wrong. Health comes first and foremost to most breeders...

You may breed for improvement, but based on what? Obviously it is based upon a standard but what influenced that standard? Who decided what was good and what was their reasoning? Get my point? How can you breed for improvement without something to improve. I highly doubt the clarity of the...

You seem to be misunderstanding this. Nobody is suggesting show string be limited to 5 animals. What is being talked about is a very specific situation at MCBA shows only for color section breeders awards which already are awarded based on a string of 5 or more. The whole basis of average of...

They did evaluate mutations, but if you read the reports a lot of the work was never completed. On top of that although the individual mutations were evaluated, obviously that is not the situation we have today. The whole 7 genes things in kinda an outdated view. About 10 years ago when I got...

most of the big money bidders are overseas, in countries without quality chins.

This thread should help you with clarity: http://www.chins-n-hedgies.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9513 As for the genetics behind ebony and white, both are a mess. The common whites are a single gene dominant, but there are MANY different strains that are not tracked or differentiated...