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Old 02-01-2009, 05:25 PM
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Our protocol has now changed to emphasize hydration, exercise and massage, x-rays and motility drugs also as long as there is enough to move. This will be started at the earliest detected sign of bloat.
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I don't understand.. the above has ALWAYS been the way to treat mild bloat and gut stasis.. Acute bloat is treated with puncturing and deflating the gas bubble with a needle either after opening up the chin or using sonogram to locate the bubble. So are you saying that your old protocol was JUST the gas drops?

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Old 02-01-2009, 05:29 PM
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I quote only you: "large bubble in the intestines is what typically causes stasis"

As to the rest, I am just passing on something I thought interesting.
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Old 02-01-2009, 05:35 PM United Kingdom
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I think we need some more info - it's just a "theory" that we can't substantiate or discuss fully.
Do you have any links or info about the "research" work that you can share?

As chinchewy has pointed out - there is nothing in your "new" protocol which is different except leaving out the Simethicone - I have to say that having treated chins with bloat on several occasions those that do not receive simethicone have shown demonstrably more difficulty and pain. When given simethicone the pain is eased and that can't be a placebo effect!!
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You mean that chins don't KNOW that you're giving them gas drops, so it's not just in there heads that it helps?

WOW, guess that rules out that hypochondriac chin theory huh?
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Old 02-01-2009, 05:56 PM United Kingdom
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You mean that chins don't KNOW that you're giving them gas drops, so it's not just in there heads that it helps?

WOW, guess that rules out that hypochondriac chin theory huh?
Nah! They are all hypochondriacs - it's just they fool us into thinking they are dreadfully ill.

There are some research papers which suggest simethicone to treat humans has a placebo effect ..................
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As someone who suffered from severe gas when I has surgery (sorry for the extreme info...lol) I will say that is absolutely false. It helped me soooooooooooooo much. Before I took it I couldn't move because I was in so much pain. Afterward, I still had some gas, but I could at least move. I know it wasn't a placebo effect either because I had to work my way up to what would actually help (4 pills). If it was a placebo I could have just taken one and called it a day.
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I have just run a search in the only reputable online veterinary community I know about, and haven't found much about simethicone and chins. There are a number of posts with simethicone in rabbits and some in GPs though... basically, the consensus appears to be that rabbits don't typically get foaming bloat, but do get large gas bubbles; because of how it works, simethicone may not help much in these cases... but it also shouldn't hurt to use it. No published papers, not even any conference proceedings that I can find.

Pain management should also be included - a painful chinchilla is a chinchilla that won't eat.
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Simethicone is something I ALWAYS have on hand. It is a really great product and even though you should bring your chin to a vet should there be a bloat problem, Simethicone is very safe to give and will get you through until a vet can be seen. When you see a chin show any sign of bloat, the sooner you start to treat the problem the better. This product is obtained over the counter and is something every chin parents should have.
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Luckily I have yet to have to deal with bloat and do have Simethicone on hand "just in case"... I don't think that anyone is debating the fact that Simethicone should be on hand and should be used when signs of bloat appear but more that a Vet was sharing "new" research...

Hopefully one day there will be drugs that don't effect appetite or cause bloat, I am just happy to know that Our babies are being researched at a higher level...
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I quote only you: "large bubble in the intestines is what typically causes stasis"

As to the rest, I am just passing on something I thought interesting.
You starty a topic, then refuse to clairfy or back up your "research".
Gee thanks for the helpful information!
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